Summative Blog: Team Antigone or Team Creon?
COMMENT: Both Creon and Antigone are willing to risk everything to do what they believe is right, regardless of the consequences. Choose a side - are you “Team Creon” or “Team Antigone?” Whose actions are justified and why?
In a detailed blog comment, defend your opinion. You must have TWO pieces of evidence from the text and explain how each supports your position.
REPLIES: Read through the posted blog comments. Reply to TWO: one you agree with and one that you disagree with. Clearly explain why you agree or disagree with the writer, and include text evidence supporting your position in BOTH replies.
I would definitely consider myself “Team Antigone”. For one, it was Polyneices’ turn to be king anyway, so Eteocles was out of line in fighting him trying to keep the throne for another year based on the terms to which they had already agreed. In addition, Polyneices was a relative of both Creon and Antigone, so it only makes sense for Antigone to want to give her brother the burial rites he deserves, and it makes Creon seem heartless to issue his decree. Letting him “lie on the plain, unburied; [where] the birds and the scavenging dogs can do with him whatever they like” would be completely unacceptable; if Antigone were to do this, she would be, to use her own words, “a traitor to [her] family”. Creon’s decree was in direct contradiction to the will of the gods, as he refused to give Polyneices proper burial rites and stubbornly continuing to insist he was a traitor; Creon does not seem to have any sort of empathy for anyone other than himself. He shows little remorse or consideration for the feelings of other specific people until the very end, when his wife, son, and three of his four nieces and nephews are already dead. All the deaths could easily have been avoided had Creon not been so stubborn, and allowed Antigone to do the right thing for her own brother.
ReplyDeleteI agree, in the eyes of Creon wouldn't you want your own son to be buried with Military Honors after the war he fought in. Even though the law says that Antigone cant bury her brother, she should even thought its wrong in Creon's eyes. I don't believe it is fair to bury one son with Military Honors and not the other even though they both fought in the same war.
DeleteI disagree about why Creon made his decree. He only made the decree to try and help the city and bring order to his new kingdom for example Choragos says; "This girl is guilty of a double insolence, breaking the given laws and boasting of it. Who is the man here, she or I, if this crime goes unpunished?"(14). This shows that Creon had little wiggle room because on one hand, the citizens would be outraged knowing that a royal could get away with breaking the law. On the other hand his son would be ferrous that he killed his wife to be. Therefore Creon only did what he thought was right so the order would be kept in the city.
DeleteI completely agree with the direct contradiction of the will of the gods. Creons develops this god complex where he believes he is the savior of the town. This becomes evident after the argument between Creon and Antigone. Antigone starts off her statement with “It was not God’s proclamation”(13). This comes after Creon says and “yet you defy the law”(13). This proves the claim that Creon is going against the will of the gods because he believes his power overruled.
DeleteAt the same time, Hannah, Eteocles and Polyneices both killed each other, and besides, it was Polyneices' turn to be king, so Eteocles was the one who was doing something wrong by refusing to give up the throne when his year was up.
DeleteI agree with this because in my personal life I believe in god. Creons the god he is the savior of the town and all the people in that town believed in him. Also Eteocles and Polyneices both killed each other and at the end Polyneices became the new king.
DeleteAntigone risked everything to do what she believed was right. “Ismene, dear sister, You would think that we had already suffered enough.” (Lines 1-2) Her family had been through alot which is why she decided to risk everything and do what she did for her brother. She felt like she owed it to her family to do something right for once. She even killed herself to be with her family again because she did not want to deal with Creon’s unfairness. “Soon I shall be with my own again Where Persephone welcome the thin ghost underground: And I shall see my father again, and you, mother, and dearest Polyneices.” (Lines 715-718) On the other hand, “As long as I am King, no traitor is going to be honored with the loyal man.” (Lines 174-175) Creon was just trying to do his job as being a loyal King and help the town instead of trying to help his family. It’s understandable why he did what he did but he could’ve done some things differently to help the town. At the end he ended up losing everyone he loved like his wife and son for the same reason of what he did. He went against his own family for the town. I believe Creon was the real traitor here but to his family; which is why I am on Team Antigone.
ReplyDeleteI agree, I can see how she felt like she owed it to her family, but at the same time I also feel like she just wanted to be rebellious because her sister was so in-line with the law. I think Antigone was being selfish when she chose to kill her self, only because Creon decided that he would give her food to survive which meant he wasn’t going to keep her in there long enough to die, seeing that the prophet came and showed him the right path.
DeleteI agree with how she felt she had some kind of commitment to burring her brother polyneices do to the fact that here family has been through a lot after there mothers suicide and fathers blindness. If Antigone were polyneices shed want here brothers and sister to do the same for her.
DeleteI agree that Antigone did whatever was right. She risked her life so her brother could have the burial he deserved. She should have not been punished for doing such a selfless act. “But I will bury him; and if I must die, I say that this crime is holy: I shall lie down with him in death, and I shall be as dear to him as he to me.”(3) Antigone would do anything for her brother no matter what the consequences.
DeleteTeam Antigone was an easy choice, only for the fact that she was doing what was right for her family. Yes she did defy the law to do it but that doesn’t change how she morally felt. When she said “ I am only mortal. And if I must die, Now, before it is my time to die.” This shows how she is willing to risk everything for what she believes is right because she said she was ready to die if that’s what she must do for her brothers honor. Another state ment she said was “ Think Death less than a friend? This death of mine is of no importance: but if I had left my brother. Lying in death unburied, I should have suffered.” This shows that she doesn’t care for her death because she was ready to take any action for her brother to be buried. She would have rather suffered then let her brother go unburied. I can see how creen thought what he was doing was right but Antigone was his family so he should have been more empathetic.
ReplyDeleteI disagree, Creon was only following the God's laws and he didn't want to defy the laws so the only thing he could have done was to punish Antigone after she attempted to bury her brother that was not given Military Honors. Even though Antigone was defying the laws, she didn't care, she was going to either bury her brother or die trying.
DeleteI agree, because she knew in her heart that it was only right for both of her brothers to be able to pass into the after life. She also knew she would be reworded in the after life for choosing the God's law over a King's law. She was also in the right for wanting what was best for her family because she has already lost so much.
DeleteI agree. Antigone stood by her family to the very end because it was important to her that the people she loved were respected in life AND death. That is what she fought for. She knew what she was getting into, but, she didn't care. She said, "Creon is not enough to stand in my way."(15) she was ready to risk it all if it meant giving her brother what he deserved.
DeleteI chose Team Antigone because she should have a right to bury her brother that was not given Military Honors unlike her other brother. Antigone was burying her brother when two guards approached her and took her to King Creon's castle and explained what she had done. Ismene was siding with Creon saying that what she was doing was wrong and that she should follow King Creon's laws. A quote that describes this situation is, "I am only mortal. And if I must die, Now, before it is my time to die" (14). This quote describes that Antigone is willing to die for her brother because she believes it is unfair for one brother to be buried with Military honors but not the other. Another quote I found was, "Think Death less than a friend? This death of mine is no importance: but if I had left my brother. Lying in death unburied, I should have suffered" (14). This quote explains that Antigone would suffer and be killed to earn her brother the MIlitary Honors he deserves.
ReplyDeleteI agree because people should honor the dead, soon everyone is going to face death, which is inevitable. Antigone would've suffered from the thoughts of her dead brother's corpse lying on the battlefield rotting away as carrion birds peck on his corpse with no proper burial.
DeleteI agree because even if they both fought over the crown, they were both military men and apart of Thebes. All because Creon dubbed Polynices to be a traitor, makes him less of a person then Eteocles even if they were at the same level of power
DeleteI too think that Antigone's act was righteous. Another quote I found to support this states, “I am not afraid of the danger; if it means death, It will not be the worst of deaths ---death without honor.” Just like you said, It is clearly important enough for her to risk dying in order to bury her brother with the glory and fairness he deserved.
DeleteI agree that the dead should be honored especially by family i think Creon could have worked something out for a private burial to keep peace with his family.
DeleteDespite the fact that Creon and Antigone were both doing what they thought was right, Antigone was the one that was truly in the right. Antigone only ignored king Creon’s law to go by the laws of the Gods which would trump any mortal law for example. “Your edict, King, was strong, But all your strength is weakness itself against the immortal unrecorded laws of God.” (13). This quote only strengthens the reasons as to why she should have buried her brother because even though she knew if she got caught she would be put to death. But now her after life will not lead to her suffering because she followed the laws of the Gods and buried her brother; ”This death of mine is of no importance; but if I had left my brother lying in death unburied, I should have suffered. Now I do not.”(14). Furthermore by Antigone not being afraid of death and going against the laws of the king she will be rewarded for following God’s law.
ReplyDeleteI disagree because Creon was trying avoid the destruction of Thebes, due to the events that happened in the past such as the Sphinx and the Plague. Creon tried to lead his city in the right path that would bring prosperity to the city with his righteous mind.
DeleteI agree with your main state that both are in the right on upholding their own wills, but she even quotes herself of the "unrecorded laws of God". These laws were never recorded so the morality of upholding laws that could very well not exist. It Antigone's own empathy for her brother that made her follow out her actions, not the religious law. I very well believe Creon is in the right of defending his actions although he should have at least gave Polynices an proper burial as he was still part of the royal family, his supporters would have been disdained including it's citizens for the action Creon made in order to feel an sense of power.
DeleteI agree with you because it is expected for a sister to show respect for her brother despite what he did or if anyone else is giving him respect. That is HER brother, she cannot just turn her back on him. In the play, Antigone says, “That must be your excuse, I suppose. But as for me, I will bury the brother I love” (page. 3, Line 66-67), showing that she loves her brother no matter what he did.
DeleteI agree with you because even though Creon started with 'good intentions' he ultimately showed it was for his own personal gain-- to show that he was in power over anyone else. Given that the laws of god over rules anything Creon or anyone else says, Antigone had the absolute right to bury her brother. Creon compared to the gods is nothing.
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DeleteI agree with your evidence because Antigone believed her king was weak by not following the rules of the gods. She proved that to him also when telling "I say that this crime is holy". Antigone showed she didn't care much about her life on earth but she did care about respecting her family and her afterlife.
DeleteI agree that Antigone was right by choosing to bury her brother because in that time, the laws of the Gods were very important and should be followed to ensure a good after life for all. I believe Creon was going a little over the top with making a law that goes against the Gods and he may now have suffering in his after life for that and all the misery he caused.
DeleteI chose Team Antigone because she decided to go against Creon’s first law that no one is allowed to bury Polyneices’ body, letting him rot, and get torn apart by savage animals such as carrion birds. Antigone believes that Polyneices should get a burial just like any other person who has died bravely in battle. Piece of text to show this is, “Ismene, I am going to bury him. Will you come?…He is my brother. And he is your brother, too” (2). Ismene tries convincing Antigone to not do it because of the law, but Antigone wants to do what she thinks is right. When Creon, Choragos, and Creon’s guards found out that Antigone was the one that gave Polyneices’ a burial with dust on top of his body, they argued back and forth. Another piece of evidence to show this is, “I dared it was not God’s proclamation. That final Justice that rules the world below makes no such law. Your edict, King, was strong, but all your strength is weakness itself against the immortal unrecorded laws of God” (13). Antigone believes in the God that Creon’s laws are unrighteous and not as powerful as the laws of God, so Antigone defies Creon’s law of not burying Polyneices’ body.
ReplyDeleteI agree with you on that Anitgone wanted to burry her other brother and give him the burial that he deserves because its the right thing to do and if she would have done nothing like what isemen did she it wouldn’t have sit very well with her, so therefore she had to go and burry he brother.
DeleteI would say im "team Antigone" not because I think Creon is evil. mainly because he is a king with very little common sense... I think Creon is over thinking things. Antigone should not be punished for burying her brother polyneices despite that fact that both brothers FOUGHT and DIED for the same thing. An example that proves this is found in line 15 "Creon buried our brother Eteocles with military honors, gave him a soldiers funeral, and it was right that he should but polyneices they FOUGHT AS BRAVELY AND DIED AS MISERABLY they say that Creon has sworn no one shall burry him". Creon should put him self in Antigone spot or evan polyneices spot because what would he have done if he were polyneices? And if he were in Antigone spot he would have also barred his brother. another example that shows why team antigone was a good choice is when Creon proves he was wrong in lines 872 when Creon states "it is hard to deny the heart! but I will do it I will not fight destiny ...I will set her free". This shows how through out the story it was set to make Creon look like the hero and the leader yet towards the end he was wrong and had to make thing right evan though it was to late.
ReplyDeleteI agree that that they should be burred the same because as you said they fought and died the same way now weather Creon was doing it to be evil or show a message I think yes just because it was his first act and he wanted to show everyone he was strong yet kind even after killing his niece.
DeleteI disagree that only Eteocles should've been buried and the other brother who betrayed the city shouldn't be. He left his city, went to another city, built up an army, and then came back to take over Thebes. He shouldn't have been buried because he basically disowned his city because his brother wouldn't let him be king.
DeleteI agree with the fact that you think Creon has little to no common sense. He does not listen to his own son at all with what the people think. He solely focuses on his own opinion. This is shown by all the deaths that happened towards the end, one including his son. It all caught up to him. Team Antigone is definitely the route to be on.
DeleteI agree with what you said. Both brothers did fight for the same thing for when Antigone says, "They fought and as bravely and died as miserably". Just because one of them was King, I believe they both should have been buried at the same spot. They are brothers after all and family always make some type of mistake. Especially would've made this conflict not happen in the first place.
DeleteI agree with you when you said that she had a lot of things going on and all she wanted was to make sure her brothers both got the same thing I also believe this because she was trying to do the right thing but by doing that she had to be put in jail for doing something she thought was right. This is shown in the play when For example, “that yo and I have not gone through (5).
DeleteI agree with you when you said that creon doesn’t have any common sense. I also believe this because creon is just letting his brother rot and be eaten by wild animals and not bury him. This is shown in the play when Antigone risked her life to bury her brother when she knew if she got caught it would be bad.
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ReplyDeleteI am on team Creon, he can not do anything about his past or the past of his people. The two brothers worked out an awful deal of passing the crown back and forth like children. If they would have worked out one person having the crown Polynices may have not went out to form an army against his own homeland putting all his people in danger and tearing the family up even more. Creon saying not to bury the tradiors body is justified. Creon's people haven't lived the best life either from getting terrorized by the lion thing and getting the worst of luck with prophecies, Creon was standing up as a leader to bring his people to greener fields.
ReplyDeleteThough i agree the idea to share the crown was dumb, i feel it isn't Creon's choice alone not to bury him and it kind of shows power hunger because Creon may be family but theirs other family to and there for he should have asked the other 2 girls how they felt and maybe he would have his daughter-in-law/niece.
DeleteI was stuck on Antigone and thinking that she risked more to do what she believed is right, but I never thought of this point of view towards Creon. I viewed him as negative. But if I were Creon, I most likely would have done the same to keep my people safe, especially since they don't have the best life conditions already. Great job!
DeleteI agree that Creon shouldn't have buried Polynices because he was a traitior to his city and back in Ancient Greece people took that very seriously, so there had to be severe punishments for people who were traitors.
DeleteI disagree that Polynices wasn't buried because he was a traitor. Yes, the idea of switching power was horrible but, Creon had no say in who was getting the crown, they were fighting who was gonna be king first, like siblings fighting over the last Fruit Roll-up. It wasn't fair that He was treated lesser then Eteocles
DeleteI disagree. Were both Eteocles and Polyneices being childish with the crown? Yes. However; that doesn't mean one brother was more honorable than the other by asking for outside help in getting the crown. It was a power move and this play is all about gaining power. So I don't see what Polyneices did as wrong. I see it as logical. "Creon buried our brother Eteocles with military honors, gave him a soldiers funeral, and it was right that he should; but Polyneices, they fought as brave and dies as miserably," (15-18) They both fought with honor and died, they both should have been honored and cerebrated. Creon was wrong.
DeleteI disagree, Creon being apart of the family should have wanted his family to move on in the afterlife despite the fact that it was an “ unhonorable” death.Yes he was he law but he also could have prevented a lot of unneeded blood shed if he was willing to be open minded about the deaths of the brothers.
DeleteI disagree with your statement because Creon could have handled the situation a lot better. Although Polynices was considered a traitor, every person deserves a proper burial. Creon should have had human decency for his nephew because the two brothers both fought the same battle and therefore should have both been equally respected. If Creon had buried Polynices he could have avoided Haimon’s, Antigone’s, and his wife’s deaths towards the end of the play.
DeleteAlthough I agree sharing the crown was a horrible idea that contained good intentions, I disagree that Creon’s actions were justifiable. I believe Creon’s decision to create a law against the burial of a family member, was put in place to scare the people into compliance. We see this when Antigone sheds light on the views of the public by saying “No, they are with me. But they keep their tongues on a leash”(15). This proves that the people of Thebes are starting to realize Creon’s potential to be a tyrant.
DeleteI disagree that Creon's actions were justified. You made very good points as to why you chose Creon, Antigone's actions are more justified. “And yet, as men’s hearts know, I have done no wrong, I have not sinned before God. Or if I have, I shall know the truth in death. But if the guilt lies upon Creon who judged me, I pray, May his punishment equal my own.”(27) Antigone knew she was doing what was right through gods eyes and that’s all that mattered. Creon's laws were not given to him by the gods so they are just mere worlds the “man” in charge had spoken.
DeleteI agree that they were both doing what they thought was right but I feel that Creon should've thought about how Antigone would feel if her own brother was left out in the open and would not receive the respectful proper burial. I also feel that Antigone risked more due to the fact where she did not care if people knew what she did; she does not have as much power as Creon as where Creon has power and even if he did something wrong, he could be still looked up to from the citizens. In the play, Antigone says to Ismene, “Oh tell it! Tell everyone, Think how they’ll hate you when it all comes out, if they learn that you knew about it all the time!” (Page 3, Line 67-71). She died for what she did, if Creon did something wrong, he could probably get out of it due to all his power.
DeleteI disagree. Although I can see where Creon's intentions look positive or justified at first, I think that Antigone still had the right to bury her brother. At the point where past mistakes were made, making a call like he did not to bury Polynieces, he did catch some shade for it. At the point where it comes to following human mistake and trying to make amends with the scraps he was given or following the laws of the gods themselves that will eventually lead them all into the afterlife, he should have listened to the gods. Creon's bar setting and intimidating statement, eventually killed more than the already dead. One wrong in the present time wont fix past wrongs whether or not if Creon realized it sooner or later, he did not make the correct choice.
DeleteI disagree with what you said because although Creon cannot change the past, he also cannot go in between what the brothers said. They both made an argument to switch off as being kings but that is when Eteocles messed up and decided to be selfish and not switch off with Polyneices. So the least they could of done was bury Polyneices for his brother being selfish and not going with the argument. Which Creon should of not made the decision of not burying him and just doing what he wanted.
DeleteAlthough I agree that the boys should have come to an agreement with the crown to prevent the battle that took place, I disagree that Creon’s actions were justified. I can prove this because once Teiresias told him the new prophecy, the king regretted making his stubborn, insensitive rule, saying this, “Oh it is hard to give in! But it is worse To risk everything for stubborn pride.” He then un-buried Antigone from the tomb. Even the king himself saw at the end that he should have been more caring, but he was too late to right his wrongs.
DeleteI disagree with you. I say he did not have to rule out the law of not burying his nephew. Neither did he have to punish Antigone to death by starvation and dehydration. It seemed way to harsh. All she was doing was caring about her brother's soul and respecting the Gods' wishes. Because of what Creon did he not only lost 2 nephews but also his son and niece.
DeleteI disagree with you because even though they shouldn't have passed the crown over the way they did I don't think Creon had the right to go against the gods by not burying Polyneices and killing Antigone. He eventually realized his actions were wrong.
DeleteI disagree with you when you said that your with team Creon because he was gonna let his own brother sit and rot and get slowly picked apart by animals. This is shown in the play when Antigone tries burying her brother and gets caught and shes in the wrong for doing so but actually shes in the right.
DeleteI disagree because Creon being apart of the family should have wanted his family to move on in the afterlife.The idea of switching power was horrible but Creon had no say so in who was getting or recieving the crown. But at the end they both fought with and honor and died.
DeleteI disagree since his law was against the laws of the Gods and when his people in the city heard of him punishing Antigone to death, they did not agree with him. Creon was trying to be a "strong" leader but he had the wrong idea of it all. He should have put the laws of the Gods before his own in order to allow a good after life for him and his family. Also his punishment for Antigone was pretty harsh since he just wanted to lock her away and let her die a slow death of starvation and dehydration.
DeleteI agree that he was trying to "protect" his kingdom from the bad stuff but I have to disagree with you. I disagree because even though the brother brought in a separate army to get his title as king, he never got the chance to even be king even after his brother said they would take turns. So I think he is in the wrong because of the way he acted towards Poly.
DeleteAlthough others would claim Antigone in the right, it is the question of morality and ideology in the matter. The decision of claiming who’s in the right created this question, which would unsettling pick with Creon. I support Creon because of how he reacts to this amount of chaos, while his nephews is butchered on the battlefield against each other, tied ropes on a castle wall within its hold in neck, the expulsion of a brave and courageous king who saved the city-state of Thebes from an antediluvian peril, disowned by his own son. He remained stoic in these times, in this matter his focus was upholding the opulent and imperial city-state of Thebes, to remain it’s control and refine the city of Thebes back to this stage of affinity. It is evident on how well he loves the city and how the chaos has finally ended “Gentlemen: I have the honor to inform you that our Ship of State, which recent storms have threatened to destroy, has come safely to harbor at last.” (Line 135-137) “I call God to witness that if I saw my country headed for ruin, I should not be afraid to speak out plainly; and I need hardly remind you that I would never have any dealings with an enemy of the people. No one values friendship more highly than I; but we must remember that friends made at the risk of wrecking out ship are not real friends at all.” (Line 154-160). He wants to protect the city from any peril and chaos, while upholding the law on those who would attempt to “wreck the ship”. For the case of the brothers agreement, does the city of Thebes know about this agreement they had? For what evidence do we know that the citizens of Thebes knew of this agreement of the changing of kings. Had it been known would the people and it’s army of Thebes side with Polyneices?
ReplyDeleteI disagree with you because Creon chose to go against the goods instead of going with the gods like what Antigone did. Scine Ceron did not to follow waht the gods were giving him, he had misfurtuen like loosing a neice, his own son, and his wife. Crone lost one of his neice's because she tried to do the right thing and follow what the gods were giving her.
DeleteI am team Antigone because even though Creon thought he was doing the right thing, it doesn't stop the fact that he is still actually be committing murder which in eye sight is what he is trying to get rid of. Antigone however was willing to do what she saw was right but at what cost. She didn't kill to get what she wanted done all she did was go against her uncle.
ReplyDelete"And you, Antigone,
You with your head hanging- do you confess this thing?"
" I do. I deny nothing."
" You may go. Tell me, tell me briefly: had you heard my proclamation touching this matter?"
It was public. Could I help hearing it?" (Lines 350-355 pg 13)
Shes not scared of her uncle and the death penalty for breaking the law because she feels blood is thicker then chain.
I agree with you, in my eyes Antigone did nothing wrong and she was just doing what was in the best interest for her brother.
DeleteI agree. Creon's decision went against the common sense of wanting to do what's right for one's own family members and resulted ultimately in the deaths of multiple more people through his own stubbornness. Antigone was not doing anything wrong in wanting to make sure her brother got the proper burial he rightfully deserved.
DeleteI agree with you because she was just trying to let her brother rest in peace. Therefore she wasn't scared for what Creon was going to do to her if he found out and she still did it.
DeleteI am on team Antigone because it was her brother who died and she wanted to bury him because he was family and there were religious laws surrounding burial that weren't going to be given to her brother unless she buried him herself. On line 56 Antigone said, "I say that this crime is holy". In Ancient Greece they believed people had to be buried properly because of their religious beliefs so Antigone took that burden upon herself to do it. On lines 26-27 Antigone says, "And now you can prove what you are: A true sister, or a traitor to your family." Antigone says she'll put family before the law and she'll do anything for her family if she thinks it's right and justifiable.
ReplyDeleteI choose to be Team Antigone because Antigone followed the rules of the gods by burying her brother, even if Creon said that burying a traitor of Thebes is strictly against the law. Antigone buried her brother to respect the god's wished for the deceased so that can pass peacefully.
ReplyDelete"And yet you dare defy the law."
"I dared./It was not God's proclamation. That final justice/That rules the world below makes no such laws." (356-359)
"but if I had left my brother/Lying in death unburied, I should have suffered./Now I do not." (370-373)
The quotes above show that no matter what the laws are that Creon set, she will respect the god's and their wishes for the dead, even if it means that Antigone will die for knowing and following whats right.
DeleteI definitely agree with you that Antigone was only doing what she knew was right. Only the gods can make the laws and the gods certainly did not make this one. “I dared. It was not God’s proclamation. That final justice that rules the world below makes no such laws.”(13) Antigone knew what she was doing and she knew what she was risking by doing it.
I side with Antigone on this issue. I believe that she was in the right with burying her brother. She wanted her brother to not be in pain after death. She believes that if someone is not given a proper burial their soul will be tormented for all eternity until the proper burial is held. If they are given a burial the Gods will accept the soul into heaven. I say her actions were justified. She did it in belief of the Gods not accepting her brother’s soul. She had every right to do what she did even if it was against the king’s wishes. Creon had no right to do what he did to Antigone. He was way to harsh and brutal with the punishment.
ReplyDeleteI agree with you siding with Antigone because she was just doing what she believed was right for her family. She didn't deserve to die, but it was noble of her to know that there was that possibility and still do it anyways.
DeleteI understand that Creon thought he was doing the right thing and his intentions were good, but I don’t agree with him in the slightest. I’m on Antigone’s side. To me family is not defined by blood or your last name, it’s defined by commitment and by love. Most importantly it means showing up when they need it most. And that is exactly what Antigone did. She stayed by her brothers side and promised him a proper send off. All she asked for, was for her sister to do the same. Antigone stayed true to her belief that it is family above all until the very end and she ended up taking her life because of it. This whole situation was not fair and everyone knew it. This is one example that showcases my opinion, “Creon buried our brother Eteocles With military honors, gave him a soldier’s funeral, And it was right that he should; but Polyneices, They fought as bravely and died as miserably,” (15-18) In the end they both deserved the same rights, but that didn’t happen. Another example of why I am on Antigones side is because she is a strong, brave, capable, and independent women who will stop at nothing to reach her goal, “You shall not lessen my death by sharing it.”(439) She is telling her sister that her death means something and she will not allow her sister to share the same fate when Ismene stayed silent and was going to let their brother, Polyneices, body remain unburied and unmourned. She wanted to make a mark. And she did because we read her story.
ReplyDeleteI completely agree with the fact that you said family was the most important thing to Antigone. She loved both of her brothers but seeing Eteocles gain more respect, military honors, and a proper burial made her realize that Polynices was being treated unfairly. So she took matters into her own hands and did what she thought would bring justice to her unburied brother. She wanted love and respect for the both of them even if it meant she had to defy King Creon’s rules.
DeleteI agree with you, Creon did have very strong arguments for why Antigone would be punished and we all saw how this went for him, in the end he felt guilty because it costed him his own family to which he didn't see but that was his karma in a way for not listening and he also in the end buried what was left of Polyneices, it took his own family dying to see that Antigone was right.
DeleteI would like to say that I am team Antigone because she wanted to honor her brother so badly that she didn’t care if she died and she did that because that’s what she believed was right and I think that is quite noble. One can really realize how far she would go to honor her family when she said, “I am only mortal. And if I must die, now before it’s my time to die.” (14) She is really saying that she will die to honor her brother. “Think Death less than a friend? This death of mine is no importance: but if I had left my brother. Lying in death unburied, I should have suffered" (14). This quote explains that Antigone would suffer to honor her brother how he deserves.
ReplyDeleteI choose team Antigone because she did what was morally right out of the goodness and love in her heart. She chose to help her brother by burying him because she wanted her brother to rest in peace. Whereas Creon left his nephew’s body to lay unburied for animals to devour him. His laws were unjust and she did what anyone would do for their family. An example of this is when Creon and Antigone were arguing and she states, “There is no guilt in reverence for the dead.” (406). This quote shows that no matter what the consequences she doesn’t feel guilty for having respect for him by burying him. She also states, “Nevertheless, there are honors due all the dead.” (413). This quote shows that no matter who has passed away every dead person deserves respect.
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ReplyDeleteI am team Antigone all the way. I am team Antigone because she saw what needed to be done and stood up for what she believed in. Family is everything to Antigone and I strongly agree. Even when members of your family do things that you don’t agree with, you have to have their backs. Just like Antigone towards her brother Polyneices. Antigone wanted more for her brother than to be left to rot in a field, “Listen Ismene: Creon buried our brother Eteocles with military honors, gave him a soldier’s funeral, and it was right that he should: but Polyneices, they fought as bravely and died as miserably, they say that Creon has sworn no one shall burry him, no one mourn for him.”(2) Antigone just wanted what was earned to her brother. He was meant to be king every other year and when his brother refused he decided he needed to fight for what was supposed to be his. Antigone’s brother did not deserve to be treated the way he was. He deserved to be buried just like his brother was. The towns people believed that her act was generous, “They say no woman has ever, so unreasonably, died so shameful a death for a generous act: “she covered her brother’s body. Is this indecent? She kept him from dogs and vultures. Is this a crime? Death? She should have all the honor that we can give her.”(21) The towns people agree that what Antigone did was brave and selfless. She risked her life to do what she knew was going to be right. She gave her brother the burial he deserved, knowing that what she did was going to get her killed.
ReplyDeleteI am team Antigone because although anyone could understand the mortal laws that Creon is strongly about, imagine if you were her. She's doing it for her brother, out of pure love and God gives her support because Gods law is higher than any other which she uses as a point against Creon. "It was not Gods proclamation. That final justice. That rules the world below makes no such laws. Your edict, King, was strong, but all your strength is weakness itself against the immortal unrecorded laws of God." This quote shows her point about Gods law not being the same as Creon's and his law is unjustifiable because of it and not only does she have this, she also has Haimon's support, "I beg you, do not be unchangeable: Do not believe that you alone can be right. The man who thinks that, the man who maintains that only he has the power to reason correctly, the gift to speak, to soul a man like that, when you know him, turns out empty." This quote heavily supports Antigone because Haimon is telling Creon that killing her for a "bogus" reason will not make him any more of man nor complete. In all Anitgone's actions were justified and even if they weren't id still stand by her because family is the most important.
ReplyDeleteI believe that Antigone’s actions are justified because she was only trying to do what she thought was right since she believed in obeying the gods and giving her loved ones the respect they deserved after death. Though, she knew that giving a “traitor” a proper burial was against the law, she put family above all else because that is what she valued the most over the law. As she faced Creon for what she had done, she had no denial towards burying her brother. Eventually this news spread over the city and people became aware of Creon’s choice to send Antigone to her death. Haimon tells Creon about the conversations going on, “They say no woman has ever, so unreasonably, died so shameful a death for a generous act: “She covered her brother’s body. Is this indecent? She kept him from dogs and vultures. Is this a crime? Death? --She should have all the honor that we can give her” (554-558). As people of this time were very drawn to the Gods they believed in and typically followed rules to make sure they didn’t upset the Gods. Creon went against some of these beliefs by not allowing a traitor to have a proper burial. “It was not God’s proclamation. That final justice that rules the world below makes no such laws” (357-358). So overall, Creon went against the majority of the people in his city which had upset them since he sentenced Antigone to death for just trying to do the right thing and he went against the laws of God by not giving respect to a deceased person.
ReplyDeleteI am team Antigone. Creon is very ignorant and selfish when it comes to his ruling. Antigone notices that she did go against Creon’s power and word but she does not stand to not call him out on his crap when she says; “Your edict, King, was strong, but all your strength is weakness itself against the immortal unrecorded laws of God” 359-361. Antigone was just trying to find justice for her brother as he was a victim of circumstances in which he did not intend to fall under. When Creon finally realized his wrong doings, Antigone was the one who ultimately paid with her life. Antigone explains in life that “Nevertheless, there are honors due all the dead” 413, which is granted to her when she gets a proper funeral for her given by Creon trying to amend his sins.
ReplyDeleteI agree with you and like your quote from Antigone herself showing that the gods want everyone to be buried properly. You are right that Polyneices did not intend to go out the way he did, and he wasn't the villain Creon made him out to be, and I actually applaud Antigone for being the one to, as you said, "call [Creon] out on his c**p".
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DeleteI agree with you and I like how you stated the last quote, like she was right all along and he paid the prices of his own family and Antigone got what she wanted which was a proper burial for Polyneices.
DeleteAlthough both Antigone and Creon feel as though their beliefs are reasonable, I cannot find many reasons so side with a king that has tyrant tendencies. The first reason I chose to side with Antigone is Creon’s first law prohibiting the burial of Antigone’s brother Polyneices. Creon, newly crowned King of Thebes, tries to evoke fear by saying “but his brother Polyneices, who broke his exile to come back with fire against his native city...Polyneices, I say, is to have no burial: no man is to touch him or say the least prayer for him”(6). As a new ruler he immediately establishes a harsh law against the burial of his own family members.This action is unjustified based on the city's history. Already fearing the future, Creon uses his power to scare his people into compliance. On the other hand, Antigone is fighting for her beliefs in the god's laws. She knows her brother needs a proper burial in order to pass into the afterlife. In this time period the gods ruled all and everything was devoted to the gods. Antigone’s actions were justified because she was simply following the gods laws and this is evident when she says “It was not God’s proclamation”(13).
ReplyDeleteI agree with you on the fact that all she was doing was the morally right thing because that is what the God's want. Creon on the other hand chooses to go against the God's and puts himself higher than them thinking that Polyneices does not deserve a proper burial.
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ReplyDeleteI side with Antigone because it is completely understandable why she would bury her sibling against Creon’s strict rule; it was driven by an unconditional love - the most powerful emotion there is. Polyneices’ lifeless body being left in a field to be eaten by wild animals is not an Ideal way to be treated after death. So, Antigone planned to do the right thing and bury him with respect: “I will bury the brother I love.” Knowing that death would come from this, she remained strong in making the right decision. Her tenderhearted plan came without contemplation; she would bury her brother because that is what he deserved in his brave, miserable, and sorrowful passing: “But I will bury him; and if I must die, I say that this crime is holy: I shall lie down With him in death, and I shall be as dear To him as he to me.”
ReplyDeleteI agree with team antigone because she choose to break Creon’s new law which is that no man or woman shall bury Polynices. But why I agree with is because she wanted to do what she thought was right in her eyes which is to bury her brother Polynices. In the play Antigone says “ Listen, Ismene: Creon buried our brother Eteocles With military honors, gave him a soldier’s funeral, And it was right that he should; but Polynices, They fought as bravely and died as miserably,-- They say that Creon has sworn No one shall bury him, no one mourn for him, But this body must lie in the fields, a sweet treasure for carrion birds to find as they search for food (14-22.1.2).” The second textual evidence that I will use is a disagreeing quote which Creon says “I will carry her far away Out there in the wilderness, and lock her Living in a vault of stone. She shall have food, as the custom is, to absolve the state of her death (633-635.3.24).”
ReplyDeleteI would say I agree more with antigone because she wanted to do what she felt was right in her mind which was to bury her brother and give him respect as anyone would for their deceased sibling(s). In the play, Antigone says, “That must be your excuse, I suppose. But as for me, I will bury the brother I love” (page. 3, Line 66-67). So she clearly thinks her brother deserves the respect as a fallen soldier. I don't agree with what he did but I would understand why she wants her brother to die with as much respect she can give him. Antigone shows extreme bravery when Ismene says, “But no one must hear of this, you must tell no one! I will keep it a secret, I promise!” then Antigone says, “Oh tell it! Tell everyone, Think how they’ll hate you when it all comes out, if they learn that you knew about it all the time!” (Page 3, Line 67-71). She shows acts of bravery when she does not care who knows or what happens to her; she also shows acts of selflessness when she urges Ismene to not keep her secret for her so she will not get herself in trouble.
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DeleteI agree that Antigone has the right to bury her brother Creon should make peace with the family so the town can move on
The character in Sophocles’ play, Antigone, whose actions were the most justified is Antigone. This character risked her life for her brother to get breaded the right way just like her other brother that was king. In other for her to do that she needs to face conscious of what she did because what she did was wrong and was agents the law. This action was right because she got her brother what he always wanted when he passed away .This is shown in the play when Creon the king said, “yet you dared defy the law” (355). Another reason why this character’s actions are justified is because her pass not the best growing up For example, Antigone said, “[You would think that we already suffered enough for the course on Oedipus” (3). This quote shows how Antigone is right in her actions because she just wanted to do the best for her family.
ReplyDeleteI am on team Antigone because I believe she is doing what's right by putting her religious beliefs and her family before the law. Following king Creon's laws would save her on earth but what good is that if that meant she would suffer eternally because she disobeyed the laws of the gods? She risked everything to save her brothers eternal afterlife making sure he was okay. An example proving that she did the right thing by the gods is when she says, “I say that this crime is holy.” and “Your edict, King, was strong, But all your strength is weakness itself against the immortal unrecorded laws of God.” (13). Another quote that shows her loyalty and respect towards her brother is "Think Death less than a friend? This death of mine is no importance: but if I had left my brother. Lying in death unburied, I should have suffered" (14).
ReplyDeleteI am on the team of Antigone she wanted to do right by her gods and her family by burying her brother even though the law did not allow it, her whole ordeal starts when she says, Isemene, dear sister, You would think that we had already suffered enough For the curse on Oedipus: I cannot imagine any grief that you and I have not gone through. And now --- Have they told you of the new decree of our King Creon? She is explaining to her sister that they have been through enough and they just need a win, my second point is when she gets caught she is not a liar she tell Creon exactly what she did with no shame she was being very brave, like when the soldier caught her and was telling Creon what she was doing the Creon says, And you, Antigone, You with your head hanging --- do you confess this thing ? Then Antigone says, I do. I deny nothing.
ReplyDeleteI am on “Team Antigone” because she was just burying her brother, like any family member should, for honor.
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To him as he to me.” (Prologue, Line 57-58) Antigone states that her brother would do the same if she died without being buried, which adds to the whole point of “honor.”
“But all your strength is weakness itself against
The immortal unrecorded laws of God.” (Scene II, Line 360-361) Her point stated here is that a king’s power is nothing to God's power, so his decisions could easily be overruled.
I agree completely with you. Antigone did what she believed was the right thing to do. She should care and compassion towards her brother. Creon seemed like a heartless man who wanted nothing but power. He totally ignored his morals. He thought a traitor should be punished even after death. Antigone believed even though her brother was a traitor he deserved a burial because he was family and brave enough to do what he did. She did not want his soul to suffer.
DeleteI am sided with team Antigone. I feel that Creon is a man that is very one-sided, stubborn, and someone who does what he wants. He would not let Antigone do a proper burial at all for her brother because he should be shown respect just like any soldier. She shows the extent of love she has/had for him with this quote, “That must be your excuse, I suppose. But as for me, I will bury the brother I love” (66-67). The second piece of evidence that proves that Creon is in the wrong and he takes everything to a very negative extent is, “I will carry her far away Out there in the wilderness, and lock her Living in a vault of stone. She shall have food, as the custom is, to absolve the state of her death" (633-635). He definitely takes her punishment for doing something for her family to a whole new level. I feel it is uncalled for and that she did nothing wrong. I would have done the same for my family. I do understand that Creon didn't want to disrespect the gods, but in the end, it could have been figured out better.
ReplyDeleteI completely agree with you, all Antigone wanted was her brother Polyneices to have a proper burial because than he can move on to the afterlife and Creon thought that he did not deserve that treatment so he throws her into forced solitude until she is dead. That is a very harsh thing that you do to your Niece one of your own flesh and blood relatives.
DeleteI agree with you, Creon was ignorant and naive, he cared only about his own interest. What Antigone wanted was morally correct regardless the crime, or relation. Anyone dead should be able to be honored, and grieved by at least their family members.
DeleteI agree that Antigone act was very righteous and loyal.Despite that fact that Creon and Antigone were both doing what they thought was right , Antigone was the one that was truly in the night.It was clearly important enough for her to risk dying in order to buy her brother with the glory and fairness that he deserved.
ReplyDeleteI side with Antigone's point of view, even though Polyneices was a "Traitor" he is still family and deserves a nice burial like how all of the other Greek's have. It is the moral thing to do and Antigone knows this and Ismene realized that after she was convicted of the "crime." "Yes, if she will let me say so. I am guilty.” (430, Scene II. Her sister Ismene realized the cause and without hesitation said that she was a part of it. Ismene finds that Antigone was correct to do the deed after Antigone is found guilty of the crime, “Do you refuse me, Antigone? I want to die with you:/ I too have a duty that I must discharge to the dead.” (437-438, Scene II). Ismene realizes that because she did not help Antigone to bury her brother she needs to honor him in a different way so she probably thinks that taking guilt for burying him is something to repay that debt.
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ReplyDeleteI pick team Antigone, because although Polyneices was a traitor, its morally correct for his family to witness him have a proper burial. Creon continued to push the idea that everything he was doing was in favor of the gods, but it was more than obvious that he was doing what ever he wanted this is evident when Antigone calls Creon out, “I say that this crime is holy.” and “Your edict, King, was strong, But all your strength is weakness itself against the immortal unrecorded laws of God” (13). On the other hand Antigone shows her honor and loyalty for her brother by willing to die for his respectful death, as he would for her "With him in death, and I shall be as dear
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I agree Antigone showed her loyalty to her family by putting her brother respectfully to rest no matter what was to come. Haimon also calls Creon out: "They say no women has ever, so unreasonably/died so shameful a death for a generous act..." (Lines 554-555). This shows Antigone did no wrong in following Gods law instead of Creon's law.
DeleteThe character in Sophocles’ play, Antigone, whose actions were the most justified is Antigone. This character risked her life to bury her brother because he doesn’t deserve to die and just get eaten by birds and dogs and wild animals that are just hungry in order to stop that from happening she tries burying him without getting caught but that didn’t work so now she has consequences. This action was right because your family doesn’t deserve to just rot away and let animals eat them. This is shown in the play when [Ismene] said, “dear sister, you would think that we had already suffered enough” (Lines 1-2). Another reason why this character’s actions are justified is she was trying to do the right thing for her family.. This shows how Antigone is right in her actions because you don’t just let family rot and get eaten by wild animals.
ReplyDeleteI am team Antigone because I would do the same for my family. Also because I think Antigone did right by the Gods and her love for what was right was loyalty towards her family. She didn't care for Creon's laws: "The immortal unrecorded laws of God./They are not merely now: they were, and shall be/operative forever, beyond man utterly." (Lines 361-363). This shows her loyalty towards the Gods and shows she did right by them because she didn't care for Creon's laws only the Gods laws mattered. She does not care to die for her brother: "But I will bury him; and if I must die,/I say that this crime is holy..." (Lines 55-56). This shows her loyalty to her family because she will risk everything even her life just to have her brother have a nice burial. She also wanted to bury her brother because the Gods would put him at rest after the war between family. They're family was tore apart so her loyalty made her do the right thing for her family.
ReplyDeleteI would definitely consider myself “Team Antigone” not only because she did the right thing for her brother but because there was no way she was going to let anyone change her mindset. This whole thing wouldn't have to happen if the brother that was king for that year would have let the other brother be king when it was his turn. After Creon became king, he had no heart for his nephew. “Lie on the plain, unburied; [where] the birds and the scavenging dogs can do with him whatever they like.” Antigone was not going to let that happen after her own uncle said this and making threats saying if anyone buried him they were going to die. “A traitor to [her] family”. Creon saying this one can really see that he doesn't even care about his family just because his brother was going to fight him and he had to get other men from a different town. Antigone was not going to let this happen to her own brother. Antigone did not care that she would have to die for what she did because she was doing the right thing for her own family.
ReplyDeleteI’d say I’m on team Antigone because of the respect she has for her family.She wanted her brother to rest in peace so she was willing to give her life just to have her brother go to a better place. Plus, it was that brothers turn to be king and the other brother refused to give it up. Even though Creon said that that brother was betraying his own kingdom by bringing in an army to fight against the king, that brother was in the right because it was his turn to be the king and the other brother refused to give it up.
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